Thanks for bringing this up Jordan. I am taking the DVD course, but have only completed the first third so far, and have only looked at charts of friends and family. It hadn't occurred to me to look at these two archetypes in combination, but it makes a lot of sense considering the "higher octave" concept of the outer planets. And I actually have this emphasized in my own chart, so maybe I can contribute some personal experience to the discussion.
First I want to comment on Scarlett Johansson's chart. This is a great example Rad, thank you. She's been quoted as saying she has a "fragile ego". With both Sun and Moon in her 12th house, Pisces on the 4th and Neptune in the first, it's surprising she has any "ego", in the popular sense of the word. That looks to me like a heavy dose of potential disillusionment with home and inner security, with emotional connections, with personal identity and self-image, with personal purpose and meaning. However, her lunar north node in Taurus in the 6th, and Venus in Capricorn in the 2nd would seem to make working for material, earthly security a very important value for her, in compensation for the watery dissolution of so many other ways of feeling grounded. To me this suggests that operating in the “lower octave” Venus helps to manage the experience of the “higher octave” Neptune.
How this signature shows up in my chart: without too much detail, I have two planets in Libra in my 12th, ascendant and Sun also in Libra, lunar south node in Taurus in the 7th, Neptune and Venus both in the 2nd house.
My experience; I wouldn’t say I have social anxiety, I just don’t feel well in crowds and don’t find many people I can relate to, but I make no attempts to blend in. I lived in a remote rural area for ten years, where I saw only my immediate family for weeks at a time. The few friends I have now are used to my frequent hermiting.
I think the expression of this combination of archetypes has something to do with listening. Venus/Taurus/2nd listens internally, to their own inner values and resources, unlike Venus/Libra/7th who listens more externally, to others. Neptune as the all-encompassing higher octave of Venus listens to the inner and outer, past and future, to the totality of all consciousness; both Source, and the collective creation. For someone with this synthesized signature of both planets, the volume of what they hear can be overwhelming, especially as planets in the 12th tend to act subconsciously. I don’t consider myself psychic, as it’s not under my control, but the overall sensory input of others’ information is a lot to handle.
Venus has quite selective hearing; Neptune is boundless and less discerning. For consensus and most individualized people, the outer planets are experienced as external forces and not felt as integral parts of one own’s psyche until a certain development of consciousness is reached. So the average person with a strong Neptunian & Venusian emphasis might feel painfully sensitive, be overwhelmed by the noise, and want to hide or have survival security fears. “Hiding” may sometimes also be an attempt for them to avoid the dissolving-ego effect of the 12th. For those conscious of what it is they are hearing, and myself personally, I think of it as a need for sanctuary and cloister. Privacy, withdrawal, and quiet are necessary for the deep listening and subconscious/spiritual work required by this combination.
That made me think of another example, an older male relative of mine, unknown birth time so no houses, but his natal Neptune, Venus, and Moon were all conjunct in Libra. Always withdrawn, in his mid-thirties he became a total recluse, and eventually must have felt too sensitive for this world, as he took himself out of it in a very Neptunian way.
I didn’t realize I had so much to say! I hope this sparks some insights. It would be interesting to discuss other expressions of blended archetypes.